'This part-interview, part-recollection/reflection between trans-masculine, non-binary queer theatre-maker Stace Callaghan and their long-term collaborator, director and creative practice researcher, Leah Mercer, was conducted via a series of curated online conversations in early 2022. Stace and Leah met as undergraduates majoring in Drama at the University of Queensland in 1989 and have continued to collaborate on and off since then.'(Publication abstract)